How to know when “pro-choice” means “pro-abortion”

Every time I think false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie can’t top his earlier hypocrisy and falsehoods, he proves me wrong.  Chuck is pro-legalized abortion and wants taxpayer-funded abortions but hypocritically mentions Jesus’ concern for the “least of these” in many of his posts.

But he really shows how pro-abortion he is in “Fake Clinics: Stop Preying on Women.” You see, if someone was truly pro-choice — and especially if that someone claimed to be a Christian — he would support Crisis Pregnancy Centers (CPCs).  They do many great things for women and families in need, all for free.  Most take zero government funding and rely solely on contributions and many volunteer hours. I expect Planned Parenthood to hate CPCs.  After all, if you make money by killing babies then anyone with a pro-life mission is your sworn enemy.  But even pro-choicers should support CPCs.

So how about the claims made in Currie’s post?  First, make no mistake: People who make lots of money  killing babies don’t mind lying to protect their business.  Really! And it is a very, very well documented fact that Planned Parenthood hides statutory rape.  Why doesn’t Chuck blog about that?

I wonder if Chuck’s opinion of Planned Parenthood would change if his daughters became clients?  History shows that if they were 13 and pregnant by 27 yr. old men that Planned Parenthood would not report the statutory rape and would coach them to lie about it.  Oh, and they would kill his grandchildren — for a large fee, of course.

Most parents would go nuts over that.  Then again, Chuck the moral freak proudly takes his young girls to gay pride prides.  What a Romans 1 poster boy.

Now to fisk Chuck’s lies and bad reasoning:

A common misperception is that the “Christian position’ on abortion is anti-choice.

Yes, we are anti-choice to crush and dismember innocent human beings.  Like most pro-abortionists, Chuck just doesn’t know how to finish his sentences.

The truth is that many Christian denominations support the right of women to make their own health care decisions.

Double fallacy: No one opposes women making “health care decisions.”  We do oppose women killing their unborn children, who are distinct human beings.  What about health care for the unborn, Chuck?  Why don’t you support their right to make decisions?

I recognize that the issue of abortion is a difficult one and that good people can come to very different conclusions concerning this issue.

But why is it difficult, Chuck?  Please explain.  I know why it is wrong: Abortion kills an innocent human being.

My own belief is that government shouldn’t be in the business of making these kinds of decisions for women.  Women should have a choice.

Tired old fallacious sound bites.  Chuck, should women have a choice to kill their toddlers?  You want the government to make all sorts of decisions for our lives.  Shouldn’t the primary role of government be to protect human beings?  The government wouldn’t making a choice for the woman, it would be making a choice to protect innocent human life  and protect the “least of these.”

The General Synod of the United Church of Christ has said:

Whereas, women and men must make decisions about unplanned or unwanted pregnancies that involve their physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being; and …Whereas, abortion is a social justice issue, both for parents dealing with pregnancy and parenting under highly stressed circumstances, as well as for our society as a whole;

Yes, it is a social justice issue: You shouldn’t kill innocent human beings.

Therefore, be it resolved, that the Sixteenth General Synod:

  • affirms the sacredness of all life, and the need to protect and defend human life in particular;

But if the life of the unborn is sacred, why not protect it?  There is no question that it is a human life.

  • encourages persons facing unplanned pregnancies to consider giving birth and parenting the child, or releasing the child for adoption, before abortion;
  • upholds the right of men and women to have access to adequately funded family planning services, and to safe, legal abortions as one option among others;

Please explain how an abortion can ever be safe for the unborn human being.

  • urges the United Church of Christ, at all levels, to provide educational resources and programs to persons, especially young persons, to help reduce the incidence of unplanned and unwanted pregnancies, and to encourage responsible approaches to sexual behavior.

A reporter from The New York Times who recently visited a Crisis Pregnancy Center notes that she was provided with a pamphlet “about the risks of abortion” that “mentioned breast cancer, a link the National Cancer Institute has refuted, and something called post-abortion syndrome, for which the American Psychological Association, among others, says there is no evidence. As for the physical risks of pregnancy and childbirth? There was no pamphlet to discuss them.”

Gosh, the NCI and the APA would never buckle to political pressure, would they?  And people who kill babies for a profitable living would never lie about it would they?

Hey, come to think of it, Chuck is a well documented, serial, unrepentant liar.  Since when did he get so passionate about the truth?  Oh, when it advances the pro-abortion cause.

And Chuck obviously has never met many post-abortive women.  Of course, in his “Christian” counseling he’d tell them that killing their unborn children was blessed by Jesus.  What blasphemy!

Some authentic Christians might be pro-choice, though they are deeply, wildly, embarrassingly on the wrong side of the issue and almost universally uninformed about the key issues.   One day they will deeply regret that their laziness and refusal to be involved were the reasons abortion was made and kept legal. But you can know for sure that nearly 100% of Christians who oppose CPCs are fake.

CPCs save lives today and for eternity.  Fake Christians like Chuck and Co. are tools of Satan trying to destroy lives today and for eternity.

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False teacher’s religious values don’t apply to human beings in the womb

In “Jesus healed the sick, you can stop the cause,” false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie, who is pro-legalized abortion and wants taxpayer-funded abortions but hypocritically zmentions Jesus’ concern for the “least of these” in many of his posts, really outdoes himself and his fellow pro-aborts.

While parading their religiosity in opposing chemicals, he lists some alleged religious values.  Not how their extreme pro-abortion views mock each of these.

Our Shared Call: Four Religious Values

The world’s faith traditions share values which serve as a foundation for ethical decision-making regarding toxic chemicals.  Four core values shared by the world’s great traditions are as follows:

All life is to be respected.

All life except unborn life, that is.  The unborn are human beings from conception.  Abortion kills them.

People of faith must ensure that air, water, and land – which belong to the Divine – sustain life on Earth.

The unborn are on earth.  They also belong to the divine.  But Chuck & Co. think it is OK to crush and dismember them.  Heck, they don’t even see the need for anesthetic, regardless of when the abortions are performed.  His hero, President Obama, even thinks you can kill them outside the womb if the abortion fails.

Society owes justice and care to its most vulnerable people and communities, and to future generations

Who is more vulnerable than a baby fighting for her life in her mother’s womb?  Why won’t Chuck protect her?

And what could be a more obvious impact to future generations than killing them?

Our faith traditions call us to protect and promote the health of the human body.

Does this look like it promotes health to you?

False teachers like this are the worst of hypocrites.  4,000 human beings were destroyed in the U.S. alone today, with Chuck’s blessing and the blessing of his peers.  That’s just sick.

“And what if we picked the wrong religion? Every week we’re just making God madder and madder.”

The title is from the episode of The Simpsons where Homer decides to stop attending church.

Marge: I can’t believe you’re giving up church, Homer.

Homer: Hey, what’s the big deal about going to some building every Sunday?  I mean, isn’t God everywhere?  And don’t you think that the Almighty has better things to worry about than where one little guy spends one measly hour of his week? And what if we picked the wrong religion?  Every week we’re just making God madder and madder.

Bart: Testify!

Marge: [Groans]

In one of those odd ways where someone speaks some truth without knowing it, it reminds me of this important passage:

1 Corinthians 15:12–18 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

So the Apostle Paul seems to agree with Homer, at least in one sense: If Jesus didn’t rise from the dead, we are misrepresenting God – and that’s never a good place to be.   And the writers even have Homer realizing that not all religions are the same.  How do you discern which is right?  Look at the facts.

But the evidence points to the fact that He did rise from the dead, and that changes everything.

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As I noted in a recent post, Christianity is unique in that it is testable and falsifiable.  You can research the truth claims yourself.  Christianity involves knowledge, truth claims and faith in evidence.  Many people think religions are just a matter of opinion or are the result of “blind faith,” but that is the opposite of Christianity.

There are all sorts of apologetics resources (see the links to the right of this blog) or even simple things like the minimal facts approach, where nearly 100% of historical scholars from 1975 – present agree with the following statements and 75% of the same scholars agree that the tomb was empty:

  • Jesus really lived and was killed on a Roman cross.
  • Jesus’ disciples believed He appeared to them.
  • Jesus’ brother, James, went from being a pre-crucifixion skeptic to a post-crucifixion church leader.
  • The Apostle Paul believed Jesus appeared to him and he wrote most of the books attributed to him, including Romans, I & II Corinthians, Philemon and others.  He converted from persecuting Christians to being the greatest evangelist ever, despite nearly constant challenges, persecution and ultimately dying for his faith.

The Christian view that the physical resurrection of Jesus best accounts for these facts is highly supportable and logical.

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Debt has increased 5 trillion since Pelosi became Speaker of the House – But that can’t be, because she said there would be no more deficit spending.  How did she manage to increase the debt by over 50% in less than 4 years when it took over 200 to accumulate the previous amount?!

Democrat Fraud Already Evident in Early Voting

It’s not enough to beat Democrats. You have to beat them by the margin of fraud, which gets increasingly wide the more brazen the party becomes in its corruption. Democrats are the party of taking by force and trickery what others have earned. That applies not only to money but to votes.

Sad, but not surprising: Obamacare does indeed include taxpayer funded abortions.  That’s why the pro-aborts were so happy with it.  This needs to be repealed.  This isn’t pro-choice, it is pro-abortion.  Fact: Obamacare expands abortion coverage in the United States.  Shame on all those who supported the bill.

Great overview of the Robert Schuller Crystal Cathedral saga – Did the massive financial failure of his church cause him to repent of his false gospel?  Sadly, no.  He just doubled down and asked you to give more!  He says that God told him to put his daughter in charge, even though she didn’t have seminary training, so I suppose he thinks this is God’s fault.  I’ll never forget the clip of him on the White Horse Inn Podcast where he was angry at the hosts for teaching the whole Bible.

Unhinged Joy Behar on Sharon Angle (who hopefully is about to defeat Harry Reid): “This bitch is going to Hell!” Classy.  Can’t you feel the love and tolerance?  Also amusing are the other speakers saying how Angle’s opposition to illegal immigration is so racist and divisive.  They must really be upset about Obama’s “back of the bus” comments about Republicans and his telling legal and illegal Hispanics that they need to crush their enemies, the Conservative Americans.

Uh, and how many members of the view walked offstage when Joy called Sharon a bitch?  What’s that?  Zero?!

Update: Angle sent Joy a thank-you note for helping her raise $150,000.  Nice touch!

Interesting perspective on conservative gays by Hillbuzz / Tammy Bruce – Always nice to come across folks who don’t play the stereotype game.  Read it all.  I really enjoyed Bruce’s book, The Death of Right and Wrong.

The worst religious people will ever say to us, for being gay, is that they will “pray for us” because they wish we were straight…not out of some meanness, but because they believe being straight would mean a happier life and they don’t want to see people unhappy.  . . . The Left, on the other hand, threatens violence when they find out you are conservative.

Actually, we pray for any non-Christians because we want them to have the joy of being a Christian (big difference between happiness and joy), even though happiness can be fleeting for all of us.

Are Fetuses Rational? – Good response to the pro-abortion argument that it is OK to kill the unborn because they don’t have the cognitive processes of (most) people outside the womb.  Former commenter Ryan used to use this one a lot when rationalizing abortion.

Creepy quote of the week from founder of Planned Parenthood.  Her (sick) dream lives on, with funding from U.S. taxpayers.

Many, perhaps, will think it idle to go farther in demonstrating the immorality of large families, but since there is still an abundance of proof at hand, it may be offered for the sake of those who find difficulty in adjusting old-fashioned ideas to the facts.  The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.  Margaret Sanger,Woman and the New Race.

Hat tip: Glenn

Another bizarre quote, from atheist Richard Dawkins:

At some point a particularly remarkable molecule was formed by accident. We will call it the Replicator. It may not have been the biggest or the most complex molecule around, but it had the extraordinary property of being able to create copies of itself. — Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene

How utterly (non-)scientific.

Hat tip: The way the Ball bounces

How to Be a Proverbs 31 Wife (or something like that) During a 50-Hour Work-Week – practical and amusing advice from Marie.

False teacher seeks to unite Christians . . . by referring to them as the Taliban

See “Taliban Catholicism” for some typical hypocrisy by race-baiting false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie.  Once again, you can really feel the love and unity.

Obviously, Roman Catholics are not alone in facing the problem of radical fundamentalism.  We see this at work in the Protestant tradition as well.  There is a dangerous “You’re Either With Us Or Against Us” mentality at play.  Groups like Focus on the Family and the Institute on Religion and Democracy are prime examples of the “Protestant Taliban.”   Religious fundamentalism is a threat not only to the church universal but also to civil society and the democracy we enjoy in a pluralistic society.

By Chuck’s own terms, he is divisive and insists that he is completely against groups like Focus on the Family and the IRD.  Therefore, he must be part of the Fake Christian Taliban.

It also means that he is confessing to being a threat to the church universal and to civil society and democracy.  Thanks for conceding that, Chuck.

Oh, and how does he get off dissing the Taliban?  I mean, I think they are awful but he is on record as saying that we have as much to learn from them as they do from us.

You just can’t make this up, people.  It writes itself.  Some people can actually discuss differences without playing the race card or the Taliban card.  We call those people “adults.”

Classic examples of equivocation

The blog of false teacher Jim “the Gospel is all about wealth redistribution” Wallis had this predictable post: Justice for All Means Justice for Gays and Lesbians – Hannah Lythe – God’s Politics Blog.

Of course gays and lesbians shouldn’t be bullied. Neither should anyone else. But the author makes this ridiculous claim:

The ministry of Jesus contradicts anything which spoils or destroys. I can no longer stand the continued resistance against the LGBT community, a resistance that has turned deadly.

It is not God’s fault that people bully gays and lesbians. Calling their behavior sinful doesn’t make you guilty of crimes against them any more than MADD is responsible when a drunk gets beaten up.

This was typical of many commenters, and it trades on a shifting definition of love:

This is the great devide between LGBT Christians (such as myself) and many Evangelicals, even those who claim to be for justice. They believe in justice for all — except for LGBT people, whom they claim are living in sin.

You can quote all of the Leviticus, Romans, and other mis-interpreted Bible passages at me. But loving another in a faithful relationship can never be a sin. Jesus gave us the Two Great Commandments: Love God and Love your neighbor as yourself.

Of course in the biblical context of “love” that would never be a sin. But this commenter meant love in terms of romantic love expressed sexually, which of course is wildly different.

You have to commit those kinds of fallacies to play the pro-gay theology game, and the Sojourners crowd does it reflexively.

There is also the false dichotomy of saying that it denies someone justice to label their behavior as sin. What horrible arguments!

Christians being unequally yoked with non-believers = bad idea

Christians not even knowing they shouldn’t be yoked with non-believers and/or being proud of being unequally yoked = really bad idea.

The World Council of Churches (WCC) and people like United Church of Christ (UCC) spokesman Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie think it is a great idea for Muslims and Christians to meet in Geneva to build a common future.

“Christians and Muslims have a joint responsibility to contribute the very best of their theological, spiritual, and ethical resources for the common good of humanity”, stated the organizers.

The group expects the consultation to “develop concrete ways of building a common future, in order to achieve more compassionate and just societies, based on equality, co-citizenship and mutual respect”.

(I wonder if they will convince the Muslims to stop the honor killings, persecution of those who leave the faith, etc.?)

Do they have any Bible verses to back up their views?  Do none of them know their Bibles?  Or do they not care what it says?

2 Corinthians 6:14–15 (ESV) Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?

When the Bible teaches not to be unequally yoked it isn’t just about not marrying non-Christians (though that obviously applies).  It means we shouldn’t pretend that we serve the same God and shouldn’t partner with them on spiritual matters.

Chuck even trots out his old sermon where he preached on John 14:6 and concluded that Jesus is not the only way to salvation.  In addition to not understanding that simple verse, Chuck’s seminary forgot to tell him about the other 100+ passages that teach the same thing — as well as the countless commands in the Old Testament not to worship other Gods.

The truth of the matter is that we all can learn from the different ways we understand the Almighty

Let’s try an example.  One way Christianity views the Almighty is that Jesus is God and that He died on the cross and rose again.  One way Islam views the “Almighty” is that Jesus is not God and did not die on the cross.  The Koran is quite explicit:

And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him – they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him. Instead, GOD raised him to Him; GOD is Almighty, Most Wise. Koran, Sura 4:157-158

So how do religious pluralists reconcile those views?

We have a name for people who hold Chuck’s views: Non-Christians.  Let’s just say that Christianity may not be their forte.

Of course, that doesn’t mean we can’t be friends or interact with non-believers.  We wouldn’t get very far sharing the Gospel if that was the case.

Run, don’t walk, from the WCC, the UCC and any other group who thinks Jesus wants us to partner with non-Christians to serve him and especially those who can’t support the simple claim that Jesus is the only way to salvation.