Do false teachers ever get any verses right?

I ask that in all seriousness.  No matter how simple the passage, they always seem to miss the most obvious truths.  A recent example is from false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way” Currie in Duck Dynasty Crew Invited To Church.*

No one should be using the name of the Prince of Peace to intentionally tear us apart.

But where does the name Prince of Peace come from?  This is the only reference in the Bible:

Isaiah 6:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.

Jesus came to bring peace between sinners and their God.  It wasn’t the kind of peace Chuck and other false teachers allude to.

And how can Chuck quote this verse while explicitly denying Jesus’ deity in this passage?  And to Chuck, this had to be a false prophecy, but he thinks Jesus is dead.  How could He then reign on the throne of David?  So why quote the prince of peace portion?

As usual, nearly every biblical reference that these wolves make is theological train wreck.

And even if the verse referred to the kind of peace Chuck thinks it does, how could a radical pro-abortionist like him use it with a straight face?  Crushing and dismembering innocent human beings is as opposite of that kind of peace as you can get, yet Chuck supports the Democrats’ official policy of unrestricted, taxpayer-funded abortions.  

Run, don’t walk, from false teachers like him.

* Of course, Chuck’s views on Phil Robertson are completely wrong as well. But that is to be expected, as Phil knows that the Bible is the word of God and Chuck thinks it isn’t.

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9 thoughts on “Do false teachers ever get any verses right?”

  1. Your assertion about Chuck seems simplistic. Jesus found good in a Samaritan who for him would have been a heretic. Because I have never met Chuck I am rather less certain than you that he is a false teacher. For example he may well be full of compassion and have very good reason to question parts of the Bible, at least as they are interpreted. Jesus himself questioned some scriptures eg an eye for an eye, not touching lepers, not healing on the Sabath. Certainly I understand you are against abortion – yet I know so little about you that I don’t know what you actually do to help with unwanted babies. For example do you adopt or at least help adopt those born with serious brain damage. Do you pay for the education of children born to mothers who cannot afford to bring up children. If you do it seems you may win the right to tell others what they must do. Some anti abortionists are simply unkind and unpleasant holier-than-thou types who support attacks on abortion clinics and even applaud the murder of doctors who carry out abortions and at the same time are totally uncaring in their actions towards those who have to face bringing up unwanted children. Others are sincere and caring types. I have to say that on first reading, your absolute condemnation statements about Chuck suggest you lean towards being judgemental – which of course Jesus advised us against. However I may be wrong in this and invite you to explain further.

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    1. Hi,

      Your assertion about Chuck seems simplistic. Jesus found good in a Samaritan who for him would have been a heretic.

      If you read more of this blog you’ll find plenty about Chuck. I have first-hand experience with him and how he libeled me on his blog, claiming that I said things that he knows I didn’t say. I challenged him many times to just show the world my alleged comments, but he just let his lies hang out there.

      He is also a moral freak who takes his daughters to gay pride parades, even when they were as young as 6.

      Because I have never met Chuck I am rather less certain than you that he is a false teacher.

      He preached an entire sermon on why Jesus is NOT the only way to salvation — http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/heretics-r-us/ . That is the opposite of what the Bible teaches over 100 times. There is so much more than that, but that would be plenty.

      For example he may well be full of compassion and have very good reason to question parts of the Bible, at least as they are interpreted.

      Chuck is a radical pro-abortionist, which is the opposite of compassion.

      Jesus himself questioned some scriptures eg an eye for an eye, not touching lepers, not healing on the Sabath.

      Jesus is fully divine and fully human. He agreed with exactly how the Bible turned out.

      Certainly I understand you are against abortion – yet I know so little about you that I don’t know what you actually do to help with unwanted babies. For example do you adopt or at least help adopt those born with serious brain damage. Do you pay for the education of children born to mothers who cannot afford to bring up children. If you do it seems you may win the right to tell others what they must do.

      That is profoundly bad logic. While pro-lifers do many things with their own time and money to help the poor (go visit a crisis pregnancy center and see all the things they do for free), protesting an immoral act does not obligate you to take care of its victims. Just as you can protest child abuse without having to adopt all the children, you don’t have to adopt children before you can protest the crushing and dismembering of innocent human beings in the womb.

      You can speak against moral evils all day, every day without being obligated to care for all the victims. If mothers were killing toddlers for the same reasons they give for abortions (money, career, love live, pressure from boyfriends / parents, etc.) would you stay quiet? Would you lodge the same criticism at those who spoke against toddler-cide without adopting all the children? Hopefully not. The question is whether the unborn are human beings. They are. At least that’s what all the embryology textbooks say. Just because they are smaller, more dependent and in a unique environment (formerly synonymous with a safe place) doesn’t mean their lives aren’t worthy of protection.

      Having said that, countless pro-lifers help women and children with their own time and money.

      Some anti abortionists are simply unkind and unpleasant holier-than-thou types who support attacks on abortion clinics and even applaud the murder of doctors who carry out abortions and at the same time are totally uncaring in their actions towards those who have to face bringing up unwanted children.

      So what? That is a tiny fraction of anti-abortion people, and the vast majority of pro-life people oppose them.

      On the other hand, 100.000% of abortionists kill unwanted human beings. That is pure evil, and Chuck — and apparently you — agree with the Democrats’ goal of increasing abortions. That is sick.

      Others are sincere and caring types. I have to say that on first reading, your absolute condemnation statements about Chuck suggest you lean towards being judgemental – which of course Jesus advised us against. However I may be wrong in this and invite you to explain further.

      LOL. Seems like you are the judgmental type and a hypocritical one at that. You see, I know what the Bible really says about judging. You claim that it means that we shouldn’t judge and yet that’s all you’ve done here.

      I hope you reconsider your views.

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  2. Jesus himself questioned some scriptures eg an eye for an eye, not touching lepers, not healing on the Sabath.

    Um, Jesus NEVER questioned Scripture. Instead, he showed their real meanings and demonstrated that the Pharisees added to the Scripture. e.g., nowhere in Scripture does it prevent healing on the Sabbath.

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  3. Sorry – what you say is clear, to me is vastly more complicated. Just to take one simple example, the untold number of natural abortions of early term foetuses each year don’t warrant funerals because the medical researchers tell us that, despite your assurances, an embryo most certainly is not a human being. When the embryo is developing, many cells, each capable of subsequently developing into a functioning human being if they stayed attached, break off and are found in the amniotic fluid, where they eventually die. We don’t in practice mourn their passing. There are many other points that might be made. However because you say my views are sick and because you make it clear you are uninterested in my reasons for my views I would prefer to seek some other forum for the discussion. In the somewhat unlikely event of your genuinely being interested in what I do happen to think and why, I have written several articles on this topic on my website. My limited aim is simply to stop the groups of pro-choice and pro life to start listening to one another instead of continuing to talk past one another. You cannot hope to change the minds of the pro-abortion lobby if you show you don’t know what their concerns are – or how they might otherwise be addressed.

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    1. Sorry – what you say is clear, to me is vastly more complicated. Just to take one simple example, the untold number of natural abortions of early term foetuses each year don’t warrant funerals because the medical researchers tell us that, despite your assurances, an embryo most certainly is not a human being.

      That is not only evil, but stupid and anti-science.

      First, it is a scientific fact — http://tinyurl.com/yfje8lq — (and basic common sense) that a new human being is reproduced at fertilization (check out any mainstream embryology textbook). So your “medical researchers” assertion about the unborn not being human beings is a lie.

      Second, whether a person inside or outside the womb is given a funeral doesn’t determine their right to life.

      Third, “natural abortions,” i.e. miscarriages, have as much resemblance to the type of abortions we are talking about as does Grandma dying of natural causes resembles Grandma having her skull crushed and limbs ripped off.

      There are many other points that might be made. However because you say my views are sick and because you make it clear you are uninterested in my reasons for my views I would prefer to seek some other forum for the discussion.

      LOL. You are pro-abortion and pretend that Jesus agrees with you. You think it is fine to kill unwanted human beings but you boo-hoo when someone points out how vile that is.

      My limited aim is simply to stop the groups of pro-choice and pro life to start listening to one another instead of continuing to talk past one another. You cannot hope to change the minds of the pro-abortion lobby if you show you don’t know what their concerns are – or how they might otherwise be addressed.

      I have listened very carefully to the pro-abortion lobby and the fake Christians that support it. I know all their arguments and how to expose their fallacies. I teach classes in pro-life reasoning — https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6877569/Misc/prolife-carenet.ppt .

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  4. I would have thought there is a difference between exposing fallacies and persuading people to your point of view. For example I am totally un-persuaded by your argument thus far because you misrepresent my position as well as misrepresent what you appear to think of as my ignorance. I still suggest that you should at least skim read my articles (one of which summarises not only the arguments on both sides – but the standard replies to those arguments). You appear to have some knowledge of one side of the argument only from what you have said. Arguing against a parody of a point of view is very off-putting.

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    1. Yeah, why would I ever trust all those mainstream embryology textbooks? You are way behind the times. Most leading pro-aborts gave up denying that the unborn were human beings years ago. They realized how moronic it looked. They’ve moved on to other deadly, anti-God, fallacious arguments.

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