Atheists & the “Christian” Left — birds of a feather

Atheists and the “Christian” Left have remarkably similar worldviews.  The atheists are just more honest.

The “Christian” Left believes the opposite of what Christians do on the essentials of the faith and much more.  Not just a little different, but the opposite.  So do atheists.

Churchgoers who support “same-sex marriage” have nearly identical views to the world. It shows who their real father is.

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1 John 2:15-16 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

Jude 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Both atheists and the “Christian” Left are pro-abortion, though to the atheists’ credit they are less extreme*.

Both deny the divinity of Jesus.

Both deny that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Both mock the word of God.

Both support the LGBTQX extremist agenda.

Both want to petition Caesar to take from neighbor A by force to give — oops, I mean redistribute — to neighbor B and to call it generosity on their part.

Both deny miracles.

Both trust in Darwinian evolution, with the “Christian” Left often worshiping Darwin over Jesus.

And so on.  Don’t be fooled by the wolves of the “Christian” Left.

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*The “Christian” Left is far more extreme in their pro-abortion agenda than the average pro-choice person.  They insist that life begins at the first breath and insist that Jesus is fine with killing unwanted children until that point.  I realize how ridiculous their views sound and how many people must think I’m making a straw-man argument.  But that is just because their own words are so clear and extreme: “According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.”  More here about how to respond, with full, in-context quotes from them.

“Christian” Left minions

Part of a comment thread from one of false teacher Mark “Jesus is not my God” Sandlin’s posts.  It is creepy and sad how they trot out these horrible arguments and don’t even realize how fallacious and hypocritical they are.

“Again: It’s easy to focus so much on sins which you feel no personal temptation to commit. I bet you lie, though. Everyone does.”

That’s a pointless argument that has nothing to do with the post or my comments.  Nice red herring.

“As for “God’s Ideal for marriage”: polygamists violate that ideal just as much as homosexuals, but I don’t see people like you going after polygamists with the self-righteous gusto that you show for condemning homosexuals. Ever.”

Yes, they do violate that, and we do oppose polygamy. We just don’t have them forcing children to be told how normal polygamy is, and we aren’t forced to participate in polygamous weddings, and people aren’t fired for stating that polygamy is wrong.

“I attended a private Christian school for Pre-K through 12th grade with daily Bible classes and weekly chapel services, hun. I’ve read it.”

Yes, lots of non-Christians went to Christian schools.  That proves nothing.

“Your type always says the same stuff to anyone who disagrees with anything you say: “You need to actually read the Bible” and other variations of “My interpretation of Scripture and how to be a ~REAL~ Christian is the only correct one and if anyone says otherwise they’re not ~REAL~ Christians”, all with the same tone of self perceived religious superiority.”

You’ve yet to demonstrate that I’ve misinterpreted anything in the Bible. You just change the subject.

“What do you care about more? Being righteously correct, or leading oth ers to salvation? Based on your responses here, it appears to be the former.”

Haha.  Another diversion.  I love to tell others the good news.  Here’s an example that proves your pathetic and desperate attack wrong: https://1eternitymatters.wordpress.com/2008/05/27/evangelism-experiences-1/

“It’s people like you who are chasing people away from Christ in record numbers yet you don’t seem to give a damn. You’re SO focused on telling others how wrong and sinful they are — and focusing on a handful of clobber verses in the case of homosexuality to do so — that you completely ignore the huge portions of the REST of Scripture that are all about the love and compassion of the Lord and the forgiveness of those sins you rail against.”

LOL.  Yes, let’s say the opposite of what Jesus did so we can draw people to Jesus.  Great idea!

I’m not telling the gays how wrong and sinful they are here.  I’m telling Sandlin, you and the “Christian” Left how wrong and sinful they are for sitting in judgment of God and preaching the opposite of the truth.

Ooh – “clobber verses” – quoting your hero, Sandlin, just like a good minion.  They are just verses which speak the truth.  And only a handful?  How many do you need before you obey God?  It only mentions a couple times not to have sex with animals.  Is that not enough for youi?

Who says I ignore the verses about love and compassion?  You phony, you don’t even know what I do with my time and money.  You are just a fake who has no real arguments so you resort to silly sound bite personal attacks.  What love you show!

“How on earth are others supposed to know abou t the rest of Christianity when the only thing they ever hear is “YOU’RE AN ABOMINATION FOR LOVING THE WRONG PERSON AND MY GOD WILL CONDEMN YOU TO HELL FOR IT!” from self-righteous busybodies like you?”

Straw-man argument.  That’s not what I say.  And aren’t you being a hypocritically self-righteous busy body by wasting your time criticizing me instead of sharing your version of the Good News?  You frauds don’t even realize how you contradict yourself in the same comment!

“You make Christianity sound just about as appealing as a root canal, for goodness’s sake! You don’t have to condone it, but keeping your nose out of their personal lives and talking about God’s love instead of God’s judgment of their sins will go a lot further to getting them to hear the real message of Christ. They need to be open to THAT before their sins can be absolved.”

Uh, why is your nose in my personal life telling me what to do?!  Hypocrite!  And you may have read the Bible but you don’t understand it at all.  Go read the book of Acts and count the number of times they tell people how much God loves them in the 13 Gospel presentations.  You may find that the message is “repent and believe.”

“Not to mention putting quotation marks around “Christian” when talking abou Christians who don’t agree with your every word (like ‘the “Christian” Left’) is just obnoxious. Unless you have the omniscienc e of God, you have no authority to say whether or not anyone other than yourself is a Christian. It drives me up a wall every time I see your type do that because of the arrogance it takes to make proclamations like that. If you’re off putting to other Christians then what the hell are you doing to NON Christians? Your contempt toward those you find religiously inferior to your own goodness is palpable.”

The “Christian” Left deserves the quotes.  They teach the opposite of the real faith – https://1eternitymatters.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/opposites-3/  They are the equivalent of a bacon-eating, Jew-loving, Mohammad & Koran-dissing “Muslim.”

“I dare you to rail against liars as loudly as you do homosexuals. Both are listed as abominable sins, but lying is one of the Ten Commandments. Homosexuality is just easier to obsess about if you’re straight. No danger of committing that one yourself, is there?”

Lying is wrong.  Mark Sandlin lies about Jesus all the time.  It is wrong.  Now please show me where Christians are being sued for not participating in the Left’s lying, or where schools are teaching little kids that lying is OK, or where churches are protested because they hold people accountable for lying, or where denominations are splitting because one side insists that the Bible says it is OK to lie, that lying is a gift from God, or where people are fired for saying that they don’t think lying is a good thing, etc.

Try to find some better illustrations, please!  🙂

Ezekiel’s indictment of the “Christian” Left and more

My favorite blogger pointed me to this passage:

Ezekiel 18:25–29 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just?

The “Christian” Left and others are like the wicked house of Israel at that time, sitting in judgment of God when He was obviously the just and holy one.  Israel whored after other gods and made gods in their own image, they sacrificed children and more.

Just like the “Christian” Left.

In the instant that non-believers die they’ll realize how ridiculous it was for them to sit in judgment of God.

If you authentically seek God on his terms, you will find him. If you think you get to sit in judgement of the real God, you will not find him. If you “seek” a god of your own making, you will not find him – except in the mirror, and as you know that god has rather limited powers.

That may sound obvious, but think about how so many people in our culture think that all religions lead to God. Lots of false teachers in churches will tell you such things. People claim that they wouldn’t believe in a God who says that homosexual behavior is a sin or who sends guilty sinners to Hell.

They don’t recognize the absurdity of thinking something doesn’t exist just because they don’t like it or the idea that they can tell the real God what He must be like.

Consider if you went to a company for a job and demanded that they hire you on your terms. Hey, go ahead and ask for a million dollar salary and unlimited vacation. Ridiculous, eh? But only a tiny fraction as ridiculous as thinking you are going to tell God how things get done.

Or tell the cop who pulled you over that you set the speed limits today and that he is wasting your time.

Or tell your teacher that she has to give you an A+ even though you won’t come to class, do homework or take tests.

Better yet, go to McDonald’s and tell the cashier to give you your entire meal for $1 and see how that works.

People can’t even unilaterally dictate the terms and conditions to the person infinitesimally and momentarily higher than them on the cosmic food chain but they think that the one true God reports to them under the divine organization chart.

The rich young ruler walked away sadly when he didn’t like Jesus’ terms and conditions and Jesus didn’t chase after him to negotiate.

I recommend seeking God on his terms. They are unbelievably wonderful and gracious.

Satan’s Cabana Boy gets a PhD in heresy!

Via Chicago Theological Seminary Commencement 2015, radical pro-abortionist and false teacher Chuck “Jesus is not the only way but He sure is a bigot” Currie of the UCC (Unitarians Counterfeiting Christ) took a break from taking little girls to gay pride parades to get his Doctorate degree!

As noted, my D.Min. work focused on researching, developing and evaluating models to teach progressive clergy how to engage in theologically grounded social action that employees social media as a vehicle for organizing.

Translation: How to teach wolves in sheep’s clothing to use the Interwebs.

It is vital that Christians address important social issues – such as climate change and economic inequality – using a theological framework. Otherwise, we allow conservative fundamentalists to shape the debate over the future of Christianity.

So pro-abortion extremist Chuck Currie, who, along with the rest of the “Christian” Left, thinks that Jesus is cool with killing kids up to their first breath and that taxpayers should pay for this, is going to lecture you on social issues.  Indeed.

Even the mention of “climate change” tells you that you are dealing with someone who is ignorant and/or malicious.

And income inequality?  Remember that Leftists literally fail at basic economics.  This “Christian” Leftist “Doctor” is so theologically bankrupt that he denies Jesus’ divinity, denies that He is the only way to salvation, mocks the Bible, and more, and he’s going to school you on economics?

Chicago Theological Seminary is a unique institution.  The vision of the seminary is to “be an international force in the development of religious leadership to transform society toward greater justice and mercy.”

This and this are the opposite of justice or mercy, yet Chuck wants more of both.

I’m looking forward to reconnecting with the CTS family in January 2016 when I join a planned CTS-sponsored interfaith study tour of Israel and Palestine.

Why would you expect someone like him to care about being unequally yoked?

P.S. It is funny seeing the “Reverend Dr.” refer to himself that way in his blog title and anywhere else he gets a chance.  I can’t think of many, if any, real pastors who are so insecure as to cite their credentials that often.

A great way to memorize Bible verses

If you want to memorize Bible verses I highly recommend Scripture Typer.  The online version is free and the App is inexpensive.  You pick the verses you want, then you can practice typing over them, filling in every other word or typing them from memory.  I recently memorized the Book of Jude (An entire book of the Bible!  OK, it only has 25 verses, but still . . . ).  I had done the first half on my own and the end with Scripture Typer.  I wish I had used the tool the whole time!

Just start small and pick a few verses.  You’ll pick up momentum and confidence, and you’ll be surprised how often God gives you opportunities to use the verses you’ve memorized, either reminding yourself of them or sharing his truth with others.

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Yeah, evolution just happened to create your 37.2 trillion cells

The human body is endlessly fascinating.  Jesus created such spectacularly intricate designs in us!  Did you know there are 37.2 Trillion Cells in Your Body?  The evolutionists believe on blind faith* that the universe came from nothing**, that life came from non-life and that we just evolved to what we see today.

Their life (death) passage:

Romans 1:18–20 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

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*Atheist scientist Richard Lewontin’s quote is a classic example of Darwinist question-begging — that is, assuming what they claim to be proving:

Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

 

**Here is a list of scientists who claimed something came from nothing.

Rob Bell, Andy Stanley, Terri and Sherri from The Simpsons, and perfect timing

I’m running this again in (dis)honor of Andy Stanley caving to the LGBTQX agenda right when it profited him the most.  Via Megachurch pastor rejects his father’s bigotry: Jesus would want you to bake a gay wedding cake:

There is not consensus in this room when it comes to same-sex attraction; there is not consensus in this room when it comes to gay marriage.

Those are the weasel words of a wimpy and/or false teacher who will go full pro-LGBTQX in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

Gee, just because one group disagrees with something we can’t know the truth? Even Stanley doesn’t use that standard in any of his other quotes.

If you really love people you will tell them the truth. The Bible couldn’t be more clear. Bible-believing Christians and even two out of the three types of pro-gay people* (religious or not) can see these truths:

  • 100% of the verses addressing homosexual behavior describe it as sin in the clearest and strongest possible terms.
  • 100% of the verses referring to God’s ideal for marriage involve one man and one woman.
  • 100% of the verses referencing parenting involve moms and dads with unique roles (or at least a set of male and female parents guiding the children).
  • 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to homosexual behavior in a positive or even benign way or even hint at the acceptability of homosexual unions of any kind. There are no exceptions for “committed” relationships.
  • 0% of 31,173 Bible verses refer to LGBT couples parenting children.

Having said that, I believe that Christians should support and encourage those who are fighting same-sex attraction. And no one needs to grandstand on the issue before getting to the Good News of the cross.

Here are some more weasel words from Stanley. Yes, people claiming the name of Christ should do less of those things, but isn’t it convenient when he throws all Christians under the bus to curry favor with the LGBTQX extremists?

If all the Christians for just one year, would quit looking at porn, would quit smoking weed, would quit having premarital sex, would quit committing adultery, would pay their taxes, and every church just foster one kid — in one year our nation would feel different. . .

Yeah, and if all the false teachers shut up for a year it would feel different as well.

It is illuminating how the non-Christians commenting there agree with Stanley. Go figure. Churchgoers who support “same-sex marriage” have nearly identical views to the world. It shows who their real father is.

1 John 2:15-16 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

Jude 4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Finally, as Erick Erickson pointed out, note in the article how Andy’s father’s church had to be protected from the LGBTQX people and not the other way around.

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simpsons-terri-sherri.jpgIn a move that should have surprised no one, Rob Bell has come out in favor of “same-sex marriage.”  It reminds me of an episode of The Simpsons where the twins Terri and Sherri are speaking to Lisa:

Isn’t it amazing that the same day you got a pool is the same day we realized we liked you?  The timing works out great, don’t you think?

For Rob Bell and other people bailing on biblical truths, it goes like this:

Isn’t it amazing that the same day God told me that he changed his rules on marriage it made me more popular?  The timing works out great, don’t you think?

The link has the video of him explaining his “new” views (Poison Control recommends watching it if you are out of Syrup of Ipecac) where he not-so-subtly undermined the word of God and said how we need to get with the world’s changes, because God is doing something new blah blah blah.  He says we should work on the “real” problems, as if the problem of saving people from sin isn’t real.

Once again someone who mocks what God said in his word wants us to believe that God is telling him all his new ideas and changes.  Right.  I hope that all the youth groups that showed his videos are repenting.

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Here’s a graph I made for Rob (the inspiration came from the World’s Best Sunday School Teacher)::

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The liberal “church” has changed in the same ways culture has: Pro-legalized abortion, anti-parental notification laws, pro-gay marriage, pro-handing out condoms to kids, etc.

Think about this: Non-believers created the anti-abortion Hippocratic Oath and it took Satan 2,500 years to convince pagans to discard it.  Then it took another 15 minutes for theological Liberals to go pro-abortion.

Isn’t it amazing?  What great timing!  The liberal church realized it had been wrong on these important topics for nearly two thousand years, and came to that conclusion at virtually the same time as the secular culture.  That makes the world like them more, I suppose.

They also decided it was too embarrassing to believe in miracles, the authority of scripture, the exclusivity of Jesus, etc.  Or did that come first?

Thankfully, many churches in the West aren’t buying it and most of the churches outside the West aren’t either.  The first time I was in Kenya one of the full-time missionaries, a doctor from England, kept saying how the Kenyans were really disappointed in the U.S. when they heard about churches supporting gay “marriages.”   It wasn’t like they were thinking, “Gee, those brilliant Westerners know everything, perhaps we should follow them.”  It was more like, “Whoa, what are they thinking?!”

* The three general types of pro-gay theology people:

1. “The Bible says homosexuality is wrong but it isn’t the word of God.” (Obviously non-Christians)

2. “The Bible says it is wrong but God changed his mind and is only telling the theological Left.” (Only about 10 things wrong with that.)

3. “The Bible is the word of God but you are just misunderstanding it” (Uh, no, not really.)