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A dialog with a professional child-killer

I’ve taught pro-life reasoning for over 10 years and debated countless people online, but had never dialogued directly with an abortionist until now.  Professional child-killer Willie Parker is not just an abortionist, which would be bad enough, but he claims to be a Christian and that his work is for the Lord.  As an introduction, this Newsweek interview with him has the usual pro-abort rationalizations.

  • He thinks of himself as heroic by aborting the child of an incest victim, as if killing her child solved her problems.  The abortion industry routinely protects sex traffickers, rapists and those who commit incest.  Not only does killing the child not undo the crimes, these abortionists send the victims back to their abusers!
  • He refers to “reproductive justice,” but that’s when you don’t kill the child who has already been reproduced.
  • He says he won’t do abortions for those who express race or gender differences, yet he simultaneous claims that those he kills aren’t people yet.
  • He claims to be a Christian yet says the Bible supports sexism – i.e., he admits to disagreeing with the Bible.
  • He spouts gibberish like this, which of course would justify anything anyone would ever do: “If God is in everything, and everyone, then God is as much in the woman making a decision to terminate a pregnancy as in her Bible.”
  • He says women will do unsafe abortions if he doesn’t do them, ignoring that many women do unsafe abortions even when legal, that making them legal increases abortion rates, and that one is never obligated to make it safer for someone to have her child killed.
  • He gladly performs abortions like these: “women in poverty and women of color. He has seen patients from a recently divorced mother of three, with a 1-year-old at home, to a 21-year-old middle-distance runner trying to trim seconds off her 800-meter time to qualify for the Rio Olympics.”
  • In the Newsweek article he denied that life began at conception, but he admitted it during the Twitter exchange.

So that’s a little about Willie.  Someone reTweeted him so I commented and he actually responded.  A few of the comments and my replies (multiple Tweets sometimes combined into one):

Dr. Willie Parker‏ — As someone who provides abortions and who witnesses the relief and gratitude of women who obtain them safely, I could say, TOLD YOU SO!, but gloating is overrated. Abortion doesn’t cause depression, but pro-birth zealots sure do. [There was a link to an article alleging that many women don’t feel guilty about having abortions.]

Note how he calls us zealots, yet later whines about alleged name-calling on my part for my precision in calling him a child-killer.  I choose my words carefully.  Some call the unborn babies, and I know why.  But it lets pro-aborts say that isn’t the correct term.  They still try that when I say children, but then I point them to the dictionary.  Same thing when they deny personhood.

eMatters‏ — Whether your conscience is so thoroughly seared that you don’t regret killing your children is irrelevant. It will always be morally wrong.

My reply was actually about whether the mothers felt guilty, but he took it personally.

Dr. Willie Parker‏ — My critics are many. Occasionally, I reply to make a point, like fetuses aren’t people, women are. My reply: If the world were as simple as you think it is, you’d be right. But since it isn’t & since I’ve never killed a child, you didn’t make a point, you stated the obvious.

eMatters‏ — You are wildly ignorant of science. Check any embryology textbook: A new human being is created at fertilization. Must have been too busy learning to kill at school What else would two humans create?! http://www.abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony/   And see http://dictionary.com . You kill CHILDREN.  Oh, and the seared conscience comment applies to the MOTHERS as well. They should feel guilty for paying you to kill their children, but whether their consciences are seared is irrelevant. I meet lots of unrepentant murderers doing prison ministry. They were still wrong.

Dr. Willie Parker‏ –Insults don’t make your point. Fetuses are human beings, because women don’t give birth to puppies, but to be a human being is not the same as being a person. In my “scientific ignorance” I know the difference between a frog & a tadpole, and an acorn & an oak tree. Do you?

eMatters‏ –Yes, you are ignorant of science. And vocabulary. Once again, the nice folks at http://dictionary.com  can help you out: Person: a human being, whether an adult or child: a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing.  So your anti-science word games fail you again. You kill human children for a living. That’s sick.  Surely you know the logical fallacies with your acorn / oak tree illustration, right?  https://apologiabyhendrikvanderbreggen.blogspot.com/2008/10/acorns-and-oak-treesand-abortion.html

Dr. Willie Parker‏ — Women die during childbirth, but we don’t outlaw childbirth. Check any person who delivers babies.

eMatters‏ — Gracious of you, as a professional child killer, to put these fallacious sound bites out there for all to see. You’re the pro and that’s all you’ve got? Willie says women can die during childbirth, therefore it is OK to kill children to their 1st breath. Non sequitur much?  Conflating death by natural causes vs. actively killing them? Such great pro-abort logic. Most people can see the difference: A. Human being dies of natural causes (inside or outside the womb) B. Human being is deliberately killed by a 3rd party (inside or outside the womb)  The fetus in question is a human being at a particular stage of development: Human embryo ==> human fetus ==> human baby ==> human toddler ==> etc. Always human and always worthy of protection.

Dr. Willie Parker‏ — Developmentally your argument is that human conceptions are persons throughout: fetuses are babies are toddlers are college graduates. Embryo and fetus are scientific terms, baby and toddler are not. How deftly you switch from science to culture, key for embracing pseudoscience.

eMatters‏ — That’s completely false. Why do you feel the need to deceive like that? I couldn’t have been more clear. It is a human fetus. Human embryo ==> human fetus ==> human baby ==> human toddler ==> etc. Same human being at different stages of development.

Dr. Willie Parker‏ — Given that your thinking is linear, your arguments circular and legalistic, and your reference materials are Webster’s dictionary and live action news, you get to have the last word, insults and all. I’ll keep honoring women’s decisions, and you can judge them and call me names.

eMatters‏ — Yeah, referring to dictionary definitions and medical textbook citations for the specific words being debated is legalistic. 🙂 Pretty lame dodge, Willie. Live Action was just quoting PP. Your attack is an example of the genetic fallacy.  If I call you a professional child killer, I am being very precise. You get paid, and by medical and standard dictionary definitions, you kill human children. Killing the children when mothers pay you is a peculiar way to honor them.  And you never demonstrated any circular logic. I just pointed to scientific facts: Every fetus you have killed was a human being at a particular stage of development. You tried to weasel word you way out by calling them [non-] persons, then I showed how you were wrong.  I hope you repent and believe someday – and soon, before you kill too many more children. We are all sinners in need of a Savior. If you don’t, you’ll have eternity to be punished for your countless crimes against God.

And it was just as creepy seeing all his fans calling him a hero and such for being so caring.

P.S. And of course, I got the usual pro-aborts chiming in with fallacies about how we don’t help the poor after they are born.  I usually post this when I get those comments.  

 

 

 

 

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Leftists — including “Christian” Leftists — are pro-abortion, not pro-choice

The Molech-worshiping ghouls of the Left — including the “Christian” Left — are busy celebrating the “free” (read: tax-funded or government coercion-funded) abortions that will just happen to kill minorities at a disproportionate rate: Governor of Oregon Holds Ceremony to Celebrate Law Making Abortion Free in State.  And note the skin color of those celebrating . . .

When you use the force of government to increase abortions you can no longer pretend to be pro-choice.

This came with the usual pro-abortion fallacy-fest.

To lead productive and thriving lives, Oregonians must have the ability to control their bodies and make informed decisions about their health care,” she said in a statement. “I am proud to sign legislation that expands access to basic reproductive health services for all Oregonians regardless of where they live, where they come from, or how they identify as a person.

So to improve your life you need to be able to kill your children to their 1st breath and to have someone else pay for it.  Check.

The “how they identify as a person” is comical.  Apparently they had to ensure the bill covered women who pretend to be men yet still want to kill their children.

And as always,  “Reproductive health services” is a false, Orwellian, anti-scientific term. It applies to birth control, not abortion, because abortion destroys a human being who has already been reproduced. That is a scientific fact confirmed by any mainstream embryology textbook and basic logic. It is a deadly and evil phrase. Yes, they have a right to reproduce, but no, they shouldn’t have the right to kill human beings who have already been reproduced.  Never let pro-aborts get away with using that phrase.

According to the Washington Times, those in attendance “regularly broke into rousing cheers and applause.”

That’s just creepy.  Predicable, but creepy.

It allows an exemption for religious businesses and nonprofits . . .

That will last about 15 minutes, because if killing your children to their 1st breath for “free” is really a right then how dare anyone limit that right?!  But don’t worry, because the state will make your neighbors pay for the murder:

Employees can still obtain the desired contraceptives and abortions . . .

They falsely claim that women have to be able to murder their children to be able to work outside the home and that even if it was true then it would justify child-killing.

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton similarly said that she believes legalizing abortion has helped to keep women in the workplace, and thus has aided the economy.

Well, OK, then, continue the slaughter.  And they say Republicans are greedy?!

People who slaughter children for a living are capable of lying. No, really!

Planned Parenthood got busted, again, this time with audio and video showing that 92 out of 97 office contact do not offer prenatal care.  The timing is great considering how they just finished the #womensmarch #abortionmarch and were all saying how awesome and important Planned Parenthood is to women’s health.  Plus, the March for Life is in a few days so it will increase awareness of that.

Please watch and share this video.  So many people are deceived about what Planned Parenthood does.   My favorite part is at the 1:40 mark, where the on-hold recording specifically mentions prenatal care and then the employee says they don’t do prenatal care.  And you can see Cecile Richards lying and how so many clinics just kill children.

Planned Parenthood usually pretends to fire “rogue” employees when they get caught on things like this, so they will have a ton of openings across the country next week!

These people kill children for a living, so it is no surprise that they’d lie about doing prenatal care. Hopefully Trump will keep his promise and defund these ghouls.

Also see Planned Parenthood overview.

If you exclude pro-lifers it’s an #abortionmarch not a #womensmarch

If you exclude pro-lifers your event is an #abortionmarch not a #womensmarch, and that’s exactly what the Molech-worshiping Left — including the “Christian” Left — just did.  Never forget that the #1 goal for them is the right to kill children up to their first breath with taxpayer-funds. Everything else takes a back seat to that, as evidenced by these marches.

First, check out the size of Hillary’s inauguration crowd!  It will warm your heart.

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Some other thoughts on the #abortionmarch:

  • They really, really, love themselves some abortion. While pretending to march for women, they deliberately excluded over half of women — those who don’t share their pro-abortion extremism.
  • I’m not sure what dressing up as a vagina accomplishes. Seems to objectify women.
  • Same thing with the pu**y hats.  Do they realize that Trump’s infamous quote will have much less impact on future generations now that the Left — including the “Christian” Left — has de-stigmatized that word?  Once again, they can’t think 15 minutes into the future.
  • Not sure what threatening to blow up the White House accomplishes, other than that the senior citizen named Madonna should be arrested.
  • Not sure what creepy speeches about period blood accomplish.
  • Watching the “Christian” Left gush over the pro-abortion ghouls was not surprising. Can’t wait to see how excited they are when the real Christians do the pro-life march in Washington this week. You know, the one that is always much larger than the pro-abort marches but that the media ignores.
  • Noticed that these were Leftists protesting in Leftist cities that Clinton won.  Yes, we get it, you are sad about the election.  Just not sure what you think being a sore loser accomplishes.
  • Abortion kills blacks at over three times the rate of whites – and Hispanics at double the rate — but nearly all the marchers were white.  Seems racist.
  • Still waiting for pictures of the big crowds in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries.  Aren’t their abuses of women slightly worse than having to pay more for pink razors?
  • Yes, there were some big crowds.   But what for? Matthew 7:13–14 Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
  • I’m pretty sure Trump is still President.
  • Trump’s team told some big lies yesterday. I never defend his bad deeds, and I have countless conservatives in my feeds that routinely criticize him.  But I’m waiting to find one Leftist criticizing Trump that also criticized Bill, Hillary and Barrack for their serial lies.
  • The “Christian” Left loved abortion, so they gave the Clintons a pass on all their crimes against women. Therefore, they have no moral authority to criticize Trumps’ sexism (don’t worry, conservatives will do it for you).  Remember that if not for the blue dress, they’d still be demonizing Monica Lewinski.

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  • All the #abortionmarch business distracted us from some great news, such as defunding Planned Parenthood International (hopefully the domestic piece is next!) and especially General Mattis’ appointment.  That alone will reverse much of the perversion-fest of Obama’s reign.
  • If they impeach Trump we get Pence for 2+ terms.  I don’t think they realize how much worse that would be for them.
  • Never be surprised at the volume and persistence of pro-abortion and pro-LGBTQX people.  Remember that the whole towns of Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed, except for Lot’s family, and that the men of Sodom groped for the door even after being literally blinded.  Christ-haters – especially the “Christian” Left kind — are very stubborn.
  • I believe this is @RachelHeldEvans, or a reasonable facsimile of her and the “Christian” Left.  Hopefully they’ll come to terms with the election soon.  When Obama won twice, one of the things we were able to model for our kids was how to react as Christians, i.e., “That was disappointing, but God is sovereign and we will continue to live our lives with hope and joy while fighting evil.”  If I had behaved like the whiny, sore loser “Christian” Leftists I’d be mortified now.

In closing, check out the size of Hillary’s inauguration crowd!  It will warm your heart — again!  Seriously, even with all Trump’s warts she would have been so much worse.

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The Hebrew midwives feared God. The “Christian” Left does not.

When the Pharaoh commanded that the Hebrew midwives kill any sons born to Hebrew women, they refused, and God rewarded them for it.  But the “Christian” Left would have been fine with killing the Hebrew males up to their first breath, and they insist that God would have approved.   They have made their pro-abortion views crystal-clear again and again and there is zero hyperbole in what I write about them.  It shows just how wickedly anti-Christ they are.

Exodus 1:8–22 Now there arose a new king over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. And he said to his people, “Behold, the people of Israel are too many and too mighty for us. Come, let us deal shrewdly with them, lest they multiply, and, if war breaks out, they join our enemies and fight against us and escape from the land.” Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with heavy burdens. They built for Pharaoh store cities, Pithom and Raamses. But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and the more they spread abroad. And the Egyptians were in dread of the people of Israel. So they ruthlessly made the people of Israel work as slaves and made their lives bitter with hard service, in mortar and brick, and in all kinds of work in the field. In all their work they ruthlessly made them work as slaves. Then the king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiphrah and the other Puah, “When you serve as midwife to the Hebrew women and see them on the birthstool, if it is a son, you shall kill him, but if it is a daughter, she shall live.” But the midwives feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live. So the king of Egypt called the midwives and said to them, “Why have you done this, and let the male children live?” The midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women, for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them.” So God dealt well with the midwives. And the people multiplied and grew very strong. And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families. Then Pharaoh commanded all his people, “Every son that is born to the Hebrews you shall cast into the Nile, but you shall let every daughter live.”

Make no mistake: “Christian” Leftists are “midwives” who would have gladly partnered with Pharaoh to kill the lineage of Jesus.

 

The “Christian” Left: Molech-worshiping ghouls

Seriously.

There are roughly 360,000 children born in the world each day.  The “Christian” Left insists  — clearly and proudly* — that the following are morally neutral in the eyes of Jesus:

A. Letting them be born.

B. Killing them the moment before their first breath for any reason.

If that wasn’t bad enough, they want to force pro-lifers — at the point of a gun — to pay to kill the children if the mothers can’t afford it.

Why anyone would confuse these moral cretins with authentic Christianity is beyond me.  The rest of their theological views are also the opposite of Christianity.

The pro-death/pro-perversion movements of the Left — including the “Christian” Left — are a blessing for Christians in just one way: They increasingly let you show how you refuse to bow down to the world’s values.  While we don’t experience the persecution seen in other parts of the world, your ride as an authentic Christian is going to get increasingly bumpy.  Are you prepared for that?

P.S. I wrote this days ago, but by coincidence Matt Walsh posted this today as well — Please stop calling pro-abortion politicians ‘Christians.’ They are heretics.  Great work on his part.


*From the “Christian” Left: “According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.”

Dilemma of the day: Should it be legal to abort [hypothetically] gay children?

Originally posted on Disqus where it got predictable, mostly pro-abortion responses.

First, a little background: I’ve actually asked the title question for many years, but a commenter on a Disqus Religion thread thought she’d play a “gotcha” and asked me the same thing. She even pre-gloated by assuming I’d try to evade the question:

“What if the baby in the womb was destined (hard-wired) to be gay. (And “not possible” is not a valid argument. Hard-wiring is real, e.g., left-handedness, eye color, etc.) Does that fetus have any worth? If so, why? If not, why not? Simple question. Please check all dancing shoes at the door. ;)”

Guess who was doing the dancing after I quickly and clearly told her I would choose life for the “gay” child? I also pointed out that if her hypothetical came true that most parents – even the pro-LGBTQX kind — would choose abortion, just like they abort the majority of children with Down Syndrome or any other suspected disability.

And yes, of course I oppose all abortions except the extremely rare cases where they save the life of the mother. But I’ll take whatever exceptions I can get because every life counts. The real burden of this question is on the pro-LGBTQX / pro-abortion people (and yes, it is pro-abortion if you want taxpayers to fund them so there can be more).

So this conservative, Bible-believing Christian firmly and unequivocally says: No, of course not! The unborn are human beings from fertilization (scientific fact – check out any of those pesky mainstream embryology textbooks — human embryo ==> human fetus ==> human baby ==> human toddler ==> etc. Same human being at different stages of development) and are deserving of life regardless of their tendencies towards certain sins. We are all sinners in need of a Savior (and thank God for that wonderful Savior!). Anyone who comes to God on his indescribably gracious terms will be loved and forgiven by him. How dare we kill innocent people made in his image, regardless of whether they are in the womb or not?

Interestingly, every conservative, Bible-believing Christian I’ve posed that question to has said the same thing: No, don’t abort them (and I’ll be surprised and disappointed if any have alternate views here). Isn’t that odd for a group that allegedly hates gays?

But it gets better – by which I mean, much worse: Every pro-choice/pro-LGBTQX person I’ve posed the question to has always said they’d favor abortion rights! If you agree with Jesus that homosexual behavior is a sin then the Leftists call you a hater and worse, while they are actively preserving the [hypothetical] right to kill gays up to their first breath*.

So to recap my experience:
– Conservative, Bible-believing Christians say not to kill [hypothetically] gay people regardless of location
– Leftists – including “Christian” Leftists — approve of killing [hypothetically] gay children up to their first breath

I hope the Leftist commenters here prove me wrong and say why they’d oppose abortions for those children. But my guess is that most of them will be smart enough to think 5 seconds into the future and anticipate the next question: If you think it is wrong to kill “gay” children in the womb, why is it OK to kill “straight” children? It is sort of like how the feminists get tied in knots over gender-selection abortions, nearly all of which, in the ultimate misogyny, kill females for the sole reason that they are female. The feminists surely don’t like those abortions but they love the overall concept of abortion more than the lives of countless female victims. And it is like the supposedly pro-black Leftists who conveniently ignore that abortion kills blacks at a rate over three times that of whites — and how that will go higher when they get their dream of full taxpayer-funding for abortions. And yet they’ll say pro-lifers are the racists . . .

OK folks, on to our dilemma of the day: What do you love more, gays or abortion? That is, should it be legal to kill [hypothetically] gay children up to their first breath?

Bonus question for those choosing abortion rights over gay rights: Will it make it harder for you to pretend that conservative, Bible-believing Christians hate gays when you think it should be legal to kill them in the womb but they think it should be illegal? I mean, if killing someone isn’t hateful then what is? Do you still think it is fair to use the petty and fallacious “homophobe” personal attack if you would accept killing gays in the womb while Christians oppose it?


*The “Christian” Left is far more extreme in their pro-abortion agenda than the average pro-choice person, as they agree with Democrats’ platform of unrestricted, taxpayer-funded abortions – even “partial-birth abortion” (aka infanticide). They insist that life begins at the first breath and that Jesus is fine with killing unwanted children until that point. I realize how ridiculous their views sound and how many people must think I’m making a straw-man argument. But that is just because their own words are so clear and extreme: “According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.” More here about how to respond, with full, in-context quotes from them.